{"id":5517,"date":"2023-12-08T18:15:29","date_gmt":"2023-12-08T18:15:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/learn.brightbreaks.com\/learn\/?p=5517"},"modified":"2024-04-08T11:16:00","modified_gmt":"2024-04-08T11:16:00","slug":"how-to-lead-a-team-that-loves-what-they-do-with-doug-zeh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/learn.brightbreaks.com\/learn\/blog\/how-to-lead-a-team-that-loves-what-they-do-with-doug-zeh\/","title":{"rendered":"How To Lead a Team That Loves What They Do With Doug Zeh"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"5517\" class=\"elementor elementor-5517\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e349f02 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"e349f02\" data-element_type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9c1b192 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"9c1b192\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul style=\"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;\"><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Work is an integral part of our overall health, happiness and satisfaction \u2014 but many of us believe that work is just about showing up and collecting a paycheck. On the other hand, purpose-driven professionals in fields like medicine and teaching suffer from high rates of burnout. <\/span><\/p><\/li><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Doug Zeh, a former therapist and Chief People Officer turned wellness consultant, believes that everyone can and should find love in what they do. He follows an approach developed by former Gallup researcher Marcus Buckingham, outlined in his book \u201cLove and Work.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/li><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">On <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/brightbreaks.com\/virtualvibe\/episodes\/unpacking-love-work-with-doug-zeh-the-future-of-happy-workplaces\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">an episode of the Virtual Vibe podcast<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">, Doug shared how leaders can cultivate engagement and productivity by helping employees discover what they love (and loathe) and aligning these discoveries with their roles.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/li><\/ul><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Have you ever been told that \u201cif you find a job you love, you\u2019ll never work a day in your life?\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/doug-zeh-a4000a21\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Doug Zeh<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> thinks there\u2019s a better approach to finding fulfillment in your work. A therapist turned Chief People Officer turned wellness consultant, Doug advocates for learning what you love and translating that into a growth track within your organization.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cIt\u2019s not about finding a job you love,\u201d he explains. \u201cIt\u2019s finding the love in the work that you\u2019re doing.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">This approach was developed by Marcus Buckingham, a former researcher at Gallup who also co-developed the <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.gallup.com\/cliftonstrengths\/en\/252137\/home.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">StrengthsFinder assessment<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> with Don Clifton. In his book \u201c<\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.loveandwork.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Love and Work<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">,\u201d<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Marcus explains why love is the most effective tool for leaders to create an engaged and resilient workforce.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">On <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/brightbreaks.com\/virtualvibe\/episodes\/unpacking-love-work-with-doug-zeh-the-future-of-happy-workplaces\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">an episode of the Virtual Vibe podcast<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">, I talked to Doug about what we can learn from Marcus\u2019s book and how to create an environment where your employees love what they do.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h2 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 18pt; margin-bottom: 6pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 16pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Why Can\u2019t We Find Love in Our Work?\u00a0<\/span><\/h2><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Most of us aren\u2019t raised to believe that we should love what we do. Instead, Doug explains, <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">people usually grow up thinking that \u201cyou go to work, you get paid, you hope you make it to 65, you retire and then you get to enjoy your life.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Even finding a job that gives you purpose isn\u2019t a guarantee against <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/brightbreaks.com\/blog\/manage-employee-burnout-remote-workplaces\/\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">burnout<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">. Marcus points out that doctors, nurses, and teachers have <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/ideas\/archive\/2022\/09\/teachers-nurses-child-care-job-burnout-crisis\/671563\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">the highest rates of burnout<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">. \u201cThe \u2018why\u2019 is not enough to overcome how they\u2019re spending their time every day,\u201d Doug says.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>The roots of dissatisfaction in the workplace extend all the way back to the Industrial Revolution, when employers wanted teams who looked and worked the same, rather than individuals with unique strengths.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>In today\u2019s world of knowledge work, Doug says, the best managers recognize that there are many different ways to be successful.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> By reframing ingrained beliefs about the role of work, leaders can help their employees learn to love what they do \u2014 and benefit their organizations in the process.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>The Role of Love in Business Success<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Helping people feel connected with their work isn\u2019t just about making the team feel better. Doug has found that this process tends to resolve issues related to engagement and productivity.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cIf you\u2019re a person who says, \u2018There\u2019s nothing I look forward to on Monday morning,\u2019 then I can pretty much assume you\u2019re burned out and not being as productive as you can,\u201d he explains. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">By helping people hone in on what they truly enjoy doing, managers can maximize their employees\u2019 contribution to the organization.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h2 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 18pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 16pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>How To Find Your \u2018Red Threads\u2019<\/span><\/h2><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">In his book, Marcus uses a concept called \u201c<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">red threads<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201d to help people identify what they love and connect it to their day-to-day work.<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u00a0\u201cWe have these things that we\u2019re able to connect with that are already woven through our lives,\u201d Doug says.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> He encourages leaders to help their teams identify these red threads, which can then \u201ctake on a more substantial component of daily work.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Doug\u2019s approach to finding your red threads starts with dividing a piece of paper into two columns: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">loves<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> and <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">loathes.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> For the next week, write down the things you love doing \u2014 things you\u2019re naturally drawn to, things you get done easily and things that make time go by quickly \u2014 and the things you dislike.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cThe key to this is in the details,\u201d he cautions. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cPeople tend to be too high-level when they\u2019re looking at this stuff, and they miss the nuance that helps them understand how the work they\u2019re doing has many different component parts.\u201d<br \/><\/span><b style=\"font-weight: normal;\"><\/b><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">By writing down the details of what you\u2019re doing, you can identify, for example, that you love using data to paint a picture, but you don\u2019t love putting together financial analyses. That, in turn, can help you seek out opportunities to play to your strengths and steer away from your weaknesses and dislikes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 4pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Balance Love and Work With the 80\/20 Rule<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Doug is quick to point out that the goal isn\u2019t to spend <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: italic; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">all<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> of your time doing what you love. \u201cYou don\u2019t need an entire red quilt,\u201d he jokes.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Marcus suggests aiming to spend 20% of the day playing to your strengths, based on <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mayoclinicproceedings.org\/article\/S0025-6196(17)30690-0\/fulltext\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">research<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> that indicates that meeting this baseline produces greater engagement, resilience, satisfaction and fulfillment.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Best of all, <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Doug assures leaders that they can embark on this process without triggering a massive organizational shift.<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"> \u201cThe vast majority of people want to stay in what they were doing, just in a more nuanced way,\u201d he says.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h2 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 18pt; margin-bottom: 10pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 16pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>How To (Virtually) Lead a Team That Loves What They Do<\/span><\/h2><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Ready to help your team discover what they love and align their jobs with their red threads? Doug has some simple tips for leaders to create a work culture driven by love, engagement and fulfillment in any environment \u2014 virtual, in-person or hybrid.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 4pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">1. Hire for values<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">When bringing on new talent, prioritize hiring people who share your company\u2019s core values. Skills may be relatively less critical, especially since an employee\u2019s responsibilities can shift during their tenure at a company.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">You should still hire for skills, of course, but Doug believes that <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">focusing on values is even more important. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cValues, to me, are the baseline,\u201d he says. \u201cEven if you change roles, those values carry with you.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 4pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">2. Engage with your team<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Leaders need to engage with their teams at multiple levels to create a shared focus on finding and pulling red threads. Doug recommends starting with a teamwide conversation. Ask questions like, \u201cWhat are the things that fill you up?\u201d and \u201cWhat are you volunteering for?\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Starting with a group conversation drives engagement and connection at the team level. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cWhen people engage in conversation at this level,\u201d Doug says, \u201cnatural bonds start to form in different ways.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>He notes that in a virtual environment, it\u2019s important to establish shared norms around how people show up to meetings. For example, decide whether team members should have cameras on or off in meetings (or if they can choose) \u2014 then stick with that decision.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 4pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">3. Dig deep with your direct reports<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">You can (and should) carry on the conversation privately with your direct reports as well. <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Doug strongly recommends that leaders check in one-on-one with their direct reports every week.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>That may be a face-to-face meeting \u2014 Doug suggests connecting in person or via videoconference at least twice a month \u2014 or through chat or email.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>In this one-on-one meeting, focus on four questions:\u00a0<\/span><b style=\"font-weight: normal;\"><\/b><\/p><ul style=\"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; padding-inline-start: 48px;\"><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">What were the activities you loved last week?\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/li><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">What were the activities you loathed last week?\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/li><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">What are your priorities for this week?\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/li><li dir=\"ltr\" style=\"list-style-type: disc; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre;\" aria-level=\"1\"><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\" role=\"presentation\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">What do you need from me to accomplish your best?\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/li><\/ul><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>Using this information, you can begin to make changes within the team to help your employees get closer to that 20% threshold.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 4pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">4. Find your champions<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Doug notes that this process can generate some resistance: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">\u201cIt\u2019s a matter of peeling away some of those belief systems that we\u2019ve developed throughout our lives.\u201d Asking people to take a whole new perspective on work can be challenging.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>He recommends selecting champions \u2014 people who have really engaged with the practice of identifying strengths \u2014 and helping them act as ambassadors for the concept. Arm them with data that shows the benefits of finding what you love so they can get the rest of the team and company on board.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>\u201cOur greatest way to communicate and influence people\u2026 is through data and information,\u201d he says. Win over middle and late adopters by proving to them that this new mindset improves productivity and satisfaction.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><h3 dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 16pt; margin-bottom: 4pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 13.999999999999998pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #434343; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">5. Measure your progress<\/span><\/h3><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Marcus offers a structured approach to collecting data that you can use to win over your team and measure the effectiveness of the program.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"line-height: 1.38; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\"><br \/>In his book <\/span><a style=\"text-decoration: none;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Nine-Lies-about-Work-Freethinking-ebook\/dp\/B07C3ZT28C\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: underline; -webkit-text-decoration-skip: none; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">Nine Lies About Work<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">, he introduces \u201cthe best of me and the best of we,\u201d an eight-question survey to gauge individual and team satisfaction. Doug uses these questions in a pulse survey that typically reveals that <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;\">as they discover their red threads, people become more engaged and connected and feel more seen in the organization.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"background-color: transparent; color: #000000; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; white-space-collapse: preserve;\">\u201cI believe that our world is in desperate need of a way for people to relate to and engage in their work,\u201d Doug says. By adopting Marcus\u2019s approach to finding love in what we do, we can create workplaces in which people truly thrive. <\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;\">This article is based on an episode of the Virtual Vibe podcast by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/brightbreaks.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: #1155cc; background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; text-decoration-line: underline; text-decoration-skip-ink: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;\">Bright Breaks<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space-collapse: preserve;\">, the platform that boosts workplace wellness seven minutes at a time. 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